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Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:31 pm
by keith_young
Wood is not my strong point so apologies for a basic question.

Anyone know what kind of varnish (or lacquer?) Westerly would have applied to things like grab handles in a 1991 Oceanlord? Having removed and replaced several of the grab rails and handles when the headlining was being done I now have to re-insert teak plugs. sand flush and cover with shiny stuff . Having little experience with woodcare I'm faced with a huge array of options for said "shiny stuff". Ideally I'd like to just apply stuff compatible with what's already there rather than sand all the grab rails right back and build up varnish from scratch.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:49 pm
by Vegable
A while ago I spoke to Caroline of Trafalgar Yachts and she told me that Westerlys used silk finish lacquer. I tried using celulose lacquer brushing it on but it dried too quickly unless applied on a very cold day ie around 5C. There used to be a product called Brushing Belco but that has disappeared. I haven't tried B&Q type decorating lacquer, nor have I tried Halfords type spray cans of lacquer.
Mike

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:54 pm
by philipstevens
Further information can be read here viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1355&p=4554&hilit=varnish#p4554

The finish was a lacquer and not varnish.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:30 am
by keith_young
Many thanks but just to confirm...The finish on the grab handles seems to be glossier than the general woodwork. This might completely be my imagination (or the effect of time and hands but are your thoughts that it would all be the same stuff?

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:47 pm
by rhumlady
That would probably be the previous owners favourite finish i would suggest as the factory finish would definitely not last that long on exterior woodwork.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:40 am
by keith_young
rhumlady wrote:That would probably be the previous owners favourite finish i would suggest as the factory finish would definitely not last that long on exterior woodwork.
I meant the *interior* grab rails. Fortunately the exterior ones are unvarnished/unlacquered :-)

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:00 am
by keith_young
Further info. The lacquer which Trafalgar were supplying a while ago at least is from symphony coatings and is "satin" pre-catalysed lacquer MN2002-0040

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:39 am
by Albert
The "varnish" used on Oceanlords and Sealords was not a varnish in the conventional sense. It was a two part epoxy arrangement. It came in one gallon tin cans accompanied by the hardener in a half pint plastic container. The name of it is hidden in the mists of time. I will search my archives to see if I can pin a name to it and any details of the manufacturer.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:53 pm
by keith_young
The lacquer supplied by Trafalgar was a one part thing (hmm..chemistry terminology knowledge fail here but presumably "pre-catalaysed" means the catalyst has already been added...which seems like a rather loose definition of "catalyst"). Obviously not the original thing Albert has highlighted but it does to my (non-perfectionist) eye do a pretty decent job of reproducing the original finish.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:43 am
by Nigel Birch
I have a feeling it might be Morrells 440 Acid Catalyst Lacquer, Uncle Albert....

http://inadee.co.uk/supplier.htm#Internal%20Lacquer

Available from here

http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/pro ... 27b0671136

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:19 pm
by Albert
That is correct Nigel, "Morrel" rings a bell...
It was supplied in a one gallon can accompanied by a plastic bottle containing the hardener.
In my case, the plastic bottle went astray, then the base of the can developed serious rust, and I thought it prudent to dispose of it. :shock:

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:23 pm
by Nigel Birch
Did you ever use it Uncle Albert? I wonder what it's like to work with and whether a good finish can be achieved applying it by hand....

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:44 pm
by Albert
I never had the chance to, that's the thing....I was given the details by the Westerly yard in their last months of operation. I could not use it because the hardener went astray, mainly, and then the metal can looked dangerously close to leaking so I had to dispose of it, unfortunately.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:52 pm
by Albert
While we are on the subject, I have discovered the existence of a fantastic varnish.
It is called "COO-VAR" Yacht and Seaplane Varnish. Clear.
I particularly like it because it keeps very well after the tin is opened, it spreads very well and is easy to rub down and the brush is very easy to clean after use.
I have no connection other than as a very satisfied user.
I highly recommend it both for external and internal finishes.

Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:06 pm
by Nigel Birch
You have a sea-plane too? Respect....