Westerly Internal Varnish

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Albert » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:42 pm

No, I haven't. But I was offered a Stampe biplane when I lived in Sussex 7 years ago about to move to Gib. I nearly bought it but didn't when I found out there was no hangarage available in Gib Airport, otherwise, yes, I would love to own a biplane too.
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Pethautwp » Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:09 pm

HI,

So it seems that the lacquer used on the inside of westerlies was indeed Morrells 440 Acid Catalyst Lacquer (as confirmed byMorrells). would anyone know what finish to look for as Morrells have realigned their gloss levels recently. if someone can tell me what they used to use I'm sure Morrells can determine what I should be using now

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Nigel Birch » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:38 am

20 per cent gloss according to the inaddee web site I posted...
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Pethautwp » Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:03 pm

many thanks

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Fulmar433 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:09 pm

I have just re-lacquered the floor in my Fulmar with the Morrells lacquer. I completely stripped the old lacquer as due to careless bailing out of salt water from the bilges (I had a leaking shaft seal) I got salt water soaked into the worn areas that wouldn't dry out. I removed the boards and took them home to work on them in the garage. After using Screwfix Paint Stripper I thoroughly cleaned the wood with oxalic acid. I have given the boards 4 coats of lacquer they look really good. They are more shiny than the existing woodwork, but my boat is 25 years old, so no doubt it has faded over the years. I have spent the day today sanding the main bulkhead (between saloon and heads) that had some strange horizontal unsightly dark lines across it. I can only think these lines are as a result of an error in manufacturing that has got worse with age. When I removed the clock, barometer and a heater mounted on the bulk head, the lines were barely visible under where they were mounted. I didn't want to use paint stripper as it needs thorough washing off afterwards and I didn't want it washing around the bilges. I have got all the old lacquer off and soaked the bulkhead in oxalic acid, followed by thorough wiping down with fresh water. The marks are considerably fainter, but still there. I will probably give it a coat of lacquer and see what it looks like.

I can see this job extending into next winter, as I realised today that the cupboard in the galley that gets any weather that comes in the open hatch is going to look very shabby against the bright "new" floor. Then the engine enclosure will need doing. Good job the lacquer comes in a 5litre can.

This is on a very lightly used late 1991 Fulmar. I suspect on an older boat the difference between re-lacquered wood and original is going to be greater.
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Pethautwp » Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:14 pm

thanks for sharing that, did you use a 20% gloss as previously suggested?

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Fulmar433 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:06 pm

Yes, the 20% Sheen, product code 5203/450B.
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Nigel Birch » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:48 pm

Dave,
I'd be interested to hear how it went on brush or roller etc, pot life and how much you used of the tin.

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Post by Pethautwp » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:57 pm

just to spice up the conversation, I contacted Trafalgar yacht services. they have a product which is a pre-catalysed clear satin lacquer (not Morrells) which is brush applied and comes in 1L cans. has anyone used this? is it the same as/comparable to the Morrells lacquer?

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Fulmar433 » Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:25 pm

Nigel.Birch wrote:Dave,
I'd be interested to hear how it went on brush or roller etc, pot life and how much you used of the tin.

All the best

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I have brushed it on and got a fairly good finish, I have attached a picture of some of the floor boards. It's only taken with my phone, so not brilliant. I followed the instructions in Morrells data sheet (downloadable from their web site) and sanded with 240 grit between coats. I think the data sheet suggested 2-3 coats, I applied 4 coats on the floor. Each coat was thinned with 5% thinners. The pot life is given as 36 hours once the catalyst is added, however I left some in a jar for about 4 days and it was still runny. It was only a small amount, so didn't chance it and threw it away.
I read somewhere that it is better to apply in cold weather, which it has been. However, today I got to the boat and it was bitter cold, so put a heater on. When I applied my 2nd coat the boat was quite a bit warmer and I found I had less working time applying the lacquer.
So far I have applied 4 coats to the floor, 2 coats to the bulk head and one coat to the bulk head that divides the galley from the saloon and the kitchen cupboard and I think I have used about half the can.
The can of lacquer with bottle of catalyst, a 5 l can of thinners and 10 mixing and measuring cups cost me just over £70. It seemed expensive, but seeing how far it has gone, and what we pay for other boat products it doesn't seem that bad.
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Nigel Birch » Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:11 am

Thanks for that David it looks pretty good!
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by FulmarOnia » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:54 pm

When I bought my Fulmar the internal woodwork and floors were in a pretty poor state and what I used was;

1) On the floor a two pot varnish sold online by a specialist decorating firm especially for Gymnasiums. I'm afraid I cant remember the exact name I'm afraid, but the important point is that it has proved very very hard wearing, nothing touches it and when I drop something there is no mark. It was sold as being a colourless product and I recall that I only used one coat. It was rather an unusual concoction as it smelt terrible and I was glad I was doing it in my garage rather than on board.
2) As regards the joinery and bulkheads I used a "rubbed effect varnish" - available in most large chandlers, but before applying it rubbed down, but didn't strip off the previous varnish/lacquer and used about three coats of polyurethane gloss varnish first, which goes on easier than the rubbed effect varnish, followed by two coats of the rubbed effect varnish. You really cant tell that the final result is any different to the Westerly Original. It was easiest to take off all doors and drawers and do them at home in my garage.

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Picaroon » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:25 pm

I've been reading this thread for interest for some time as my Corsair requires some sprucing up. I have purchased the Morrells Lacquer and tried out on a test area with good results.
A couple of questions:

The Lacquer is very light and I assume that a stain was applied as well as the Lacquer, does anybody know what stain and roughly what mix that was used.

The woodwork is generally in good repair but with areas of high wear and lightening. I was intending to lightly stain the high wear areas to match the colour of the surrounding wood prior to lightly sanding and applying lacquer to the whole area.

Am I doing the right thing?

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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by Fulmar433 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:15 pm

I don't think any stain was used on my 1991 Fulmar. The flooring that I stripped back to bare wood is slightly lighter than the fixed edging that I only lightly sanded, but I put it down to aging. I sanded the main bulkhead that had some unsightly marking, I think some sort of contamination in the ply manufacturing that has worsened over the years. I have reduced the marks but re-lacquering it has if anything slightly darkened the bulk head. However it doesn't look out of place against the adjoining side cupboards.
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Re: Westerly Internal Varnish

Post by skippergalene » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:40 pm

Has anyone used Epifanes rapidcoat? It is taking an age to dry on the hardwood surround in the galley of my Corsair.Not a lot of choice in the chandeleries out here in the Caribbean

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