Builder's certificate from the 80's?

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Builder's certificate from the 80's?

Post by GTom12 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:00 pm

I see the MCA Builder's certificate template is from 1995, if I want to establish a clear title on a boat from the 80's, what kind of document shall I ask for, which is the "birth certificate" of the boat (of course along all the bills of sale)? Is the " Lloyd's Register Certificate" a separate document or the same in case of a Lloyd's certified boat?

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Re: Builder's certificate from the 80's?

Post by Jolly Roger » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:36 pm

All you will need is the Bill(s) of Sale, this shows the transfer of ownership.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _02-14.pdf

It is nice to have the original documents, namely the Lloyds Hull Certificate, the Westerly Builders Certificate and the original invoice show VAT has been paid. However you may not get any of them due to being lost in the past, which is easy considering the passing of time.

This web page has lots of useful information that may help.
http://www.jryachts.com/vat-and-rcd

So which Westerly model is at the top of your list?
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Re: Builder's certificate from the 80's?

Post by GTom12 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:01 pm

Thank you Roger! It should be a Discus:) Had a brief look at the Falcons but they don't seem to offer significantly more space and less likely to "fit in a 10m berth".
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Re: Builder's certificate from the 80's?

Post by Jolly Roger » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:53 pm

Your question in this thread mentions 1995, but I should point out the Discus stopped being built in 1984. So I presume you were asking about a different model.

With a Discus, you should avoid any problem with VAT due to their age. Though older boats are very unlikely to be challenged due to their low value compared to recently built boats.
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Re: Builder's certificate from the 80's?

Post by GTom12 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:55 am

The '95 figure was refferring the MCA template, I am after a '80-84 Discus :)

Indeed, I don't expect much hassle with VAT, clear title (64/64 ownership, no liens/mortgages) would be the point: some lenders AFAIK held back one of the original documents (e.g. builders certification) if there was no Part 1 registration to document their claim. A lacking bill of sale or builders certification might be a dangerous hole in the boat's paperwork I'm afraid.

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