Profile drawings for Westerly Tiger renovation project

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Profile drawings for Westerly Tiger renovation project

Post by Internet Sailor » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:17 pm

Hello. I've just bought an abandoned Tiger and will be renovating it. I didn't use the word 'restoring' because I don't think I'll be aiming for a factory reset. There have been too many changes to it down the years, such as the cutting of a rather large outboard well that probably isn't worth trying to fill, and the installation of a transom-hung rudder (which some experienced hands have suggested is probably an improvement in many ways). The other problem is that, having lain for so long un-loved, the rigging is all shot and I'm not sure I trust the mast.

So, in terms of propulsion at least, she's a blank canvas. To this end I've spoken to the designer Paul Fisher, about coming up with a new rig for her that, a. will be suited to the casual, single-handed sailor who day-sails but also voyages a bit about the UK, and doesn't care about racing, and b. won't break the bank to buy, build and maintain. Two possible candidate rigs that I've been doodling on the back of envelopes include a variety of things from the gaff rig to the modern cambered panel junk rig, such as that seen on Poppy in the Round the Island race.

However, Mr Fisher has pointed out that he really needs to see the profile drawings to assess which of the many options under consideration are wise. And so, that's what brings me here: can anyone point me in the direction of a set of drawings for the Tiger?

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Re: Profile drawings for Westerly Tiger renovation project

Post by Jolly Roger » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:44 pm

Welcome to the WOA Forum.

Am I right in assuming this is boat from the mystery boat thread on the ybw forum.

The following links should help you with details of the sail plan for the Tiger.

http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/boatRange.php?class=63
http://www.sailrite.com/Westerly-25-Tiger-Sail-Data
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=672

Personally I would consider staying with the original sail plan as a different rig could adversely affect the saleability of the boat. You should consider this as you will be spending probably more on your renovations than the value of the boat when it is to be sold on in the future.
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Re: Profile drawings for Westerly Tiger renovation project

Post by Internet Sailor » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:52 pm

Jolly Roger wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:44 pm

Am I right in assuming this is boat from the mystery boat thread on the ybw forum.
Hello. Yes, it's the same boat.

Thanks for the links, and the advice. I'm definitely cognisant of the arguments in favour of retaining the original rig, but having now lifted her out, I can see the extent of the changes that have been made by previous owners, not least the installation of a large transom rudder and outboard which is not worth putting back to factory spec (not even sure it could be put back). I contacted Paul Fisher to figure out what this new rudder arrangement might do to the stability and hydrodynamics. Also, after inspecting the old rig, I realised none of it was salvageable and, depending on the reply to the first question, I might have to modify any replacement, anyway. So I thought I may as well explore alternatives! Particularly any that might turn out cheaper to buy/build and maintain than replicating the original.

Not even the guard rail is original. The wires appear to have been replaced with plastic coated washing line!

There's also the state of the market to consider. I've observed two things:

1, the market is depressed and has been for some time (decent boats are being sold off by desperate owners for silly money, which helps drive down the price of other boats that should go for as much as 50% more than they eventually do). Thus, I don't envisage making much, if any, of my money back.

2, people who are looking for a boat seem to be a lot less picky than they once might have been, with a wider variety of boat types and rigs being deemed acceptable. It seems to boil down to availability and price more than holding out for one's ideal boat. Several people I've spoken to have said "I just decided to stop wasting time thinking about it and get a boat (or "get a new boat"), and this one was available" rather than "I wanted a Bermudan rigged cruiser that could race". Also, I share the yard with at least three other gaffers and a small gunter rig, so perhaps the market in such things is simply healthier round these parts!

Thanks for your help. Do you know if there are also any line drawings of the hull available? I think that's what Mr Fisher would really want to see. Something like this, for example:

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Re: Profile drawings for Westerly Tiger renovation project

Post by Jolly Roger » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:38 am

The Tiger was designed by John Butler and I doubt if any drawings exist today. According to Google there is a a John Butler Associates in Dartmouth (http://bluesheets.co.uk/business-listin ... -designers) but their web site does not work.

You could ask Trafalgar Yacht Services (http://www.westerly-yachts.co.uk/) as they hold many records from Westerly as they were employees and now supply many spare parts.

To create a set of hull drawings would not be difficult to make yourself by measuring the hull out of the water. A laser level should be sufficient to lay lines on the hull to mark the shape. They should be accurate enough for Paul Fisher. An alternative would be to contact a university near you that has a degree course in yacht design and see if they would create a set of drawings as a project.

It would be worth having a chat with a spar manufacturer like Z Spars for an idea about the cost of a new rig. They might be able to suggest if a gaff rig would be a cheaper option. You should also consider finding a secondhand mast, possibly from another similar size boat, as a cheaper option.

Glad to hear you are realistic about what it is going to cost and what you possibly might get in the future when you sell.
Roger
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