'86 Corsair Ketch

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'86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Boxertwinjeff » Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:08 pm

Hi, Viewing online a Westerly with a 60hp Mercedes Diesel, interior is well aged, at this stage not sure about rigging age or particulars on engine, it does tick all the boxes with what I'm looking for in a Liveaboard for 1 person. I don't mind the idea of slowly upgrading the interior, but would like some feedback on whether this boat would be a suitable base to work with for coastal cruising/liveaboard or if it may be a money pit, asking price is $ AU33K, will post some photos shortly.
Cheers Jeff.

Edit, Moderator $AU33K = £16,586 (1/6/16)

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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Jolly Roger » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:48 pm

Welcome to the Forum.

For that price I would snap it up in any condition if it was in the UK. As a live aboard it should be a good choice.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Boxertwinjeff » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:50 am

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If someone could give me their opinion on face value would be appreciated. Cheers Jeff.

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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Jolly Roger » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:16 pm

The interior looks in pretty good condition. One usual big problem is the headling drooping due to the fom backing breaking down due to age, but this does not show in the photo.

The price in the UK can be seen at this link.
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/categ ... Corsair+36
http://westerly.apolloduck.co.uk/boats.phtml?id=232
http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/classifieds.php

Some useful information is available at this archive web siten and the WOA/wiki web site (but some may need a membership number).
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/wes ... orsair.htm
http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/boatRange.php?class=7
http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/wester ... Corsair_36

Now you realise my original comment about snapping it up. I feel the asking price is depressed as it is an unknown brand and model in Australia. As a general comment Westerlys were very well constructed and are highly rated within the UK and Europe on the secondhand market compared to many continental mass produced yachts from French and German manufacturers.

If you do decide to buy this excellent yacht, I would recommend joining the Westerly Owners Association as there is plenty of technical information only available to members. Click on the banner above for more information. Do not worry it is a UK based association as there are plenty of members from all over the world.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Vegable » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:26 pm

I'd like to add a note of caution. I fully agree with Roger about the price, but one does have to wonder why it is so low.
Do you have the skill to survey the boat and appreciate what needs doing to it, and do you have the necessary skills to put what ever is wrong, right? Only you can answer these very important questions. If you're buying it cheap and need to get the boatyard to put thinks right, then you'll end up paying a horrendous amount of money.
Things to look at is the overall condition, what does the running rigging look like, if that's neglected and tatty then the rest of the boat will be the same. What are the sails like. If they are like an old face flannel then walk away. What's the engine like, is it a rusty lump?
We can't answer these questions for you. If you don't have the practical skills then at the outset it's a no no.
I have an Oceanranger which is a modified later version of the Corsair, and I love it to bits. I sail about 1500 mi!es a year in her although statistically I actually sail only about 40% of the time, if that. However she is expensive to keep and I do all my servicing and maintainence myself. Don't ask me how much she costs me because I refuse to add it all up - what you don't know, you can't get upset about.
Lastly, it's very easy to buy a boat, but it's very difficult now to sell a boat. Make sure that what you eventually buy, you will be able to sell in the future.
Hope this has been of some help
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Boxertwinjeff » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:18 pm

Thanks Jolly Roger for those links & your opinion, also Mike for your words of wisdom. I would definitely have my Surveyor check out any boat I was interested prior to making a decision. I have looked at & researched many boats over the last 12 months and
have narrowed it down to what I like & want in a liveaboard yacht ( would be just me singlehanding/ living aboard) 36', Ketch, aft cabin, moderate to shallow draft as I live in the tropics, built of GRP & with half decent performance. Have looked at quite a few Roberts 36s, a lot were home builds, the Corsair is the first factory built boat I've looked at, and the feedback I'm getting from listening & reading up on them is that their a very strong, well built yacht & highly regarded. They also have quite a modern look to me compared to the Roberts. Are the Mercedes diesels a good thing, or a no no, expensive for parts? A negative is it doesn't appear to have a Shower, did they come with showers? is that an expensive exercise to install one? the ad also states the Beam as being only 10'. states alittle work on deck needed, see attached photos, not sure whats going on with that Cockpit & Aft deck surface. Anyway thankyou for your knowledge & advice. Cheers Jeff.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Jolly Roger » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:56 pm

Jeff

Without knowing the model number of the engine it is difficult to advise on it.

However I did find this thread about Mercedes 636 engines that might be useful.
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.ph ... ine-engine

Following on about parts, etc this thread may be of interest.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54 ... 92731.html

There are plenty of similar threads available for other Mercedes series engines. Generally they seem well regarded and reliable - with the usual proviso of being serviced. Secondhand parts should be fairly readily available as these engines were widely used. A list of all Mercedes engines is here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... s#Diesel_4

Fitting a shower would depend on the water system installed. Is it pressurised with hot and cold water, if so then relatively easy to fit. If only manual pumped cold water, then a new complete system would need to be installed. A simple diragram of a system is here. http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/boat-plumbing.asp

The beam is quoted as 12' 6", so a little wider that you have been told.

The decks should be painted with a non-slip paint, but I cannot determine from the photos what the brown areas are made of. You will have to see for yourself and come back with more info.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Vegable » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:50 pm

Hi Jeff,
Just looking at the pictures, I think she has been modified and I wonder if she's been down in the deep south ie Antarctica. The spray hood looks a lot more robust than we are used to in our neck of the woods. The mizzen mast fitting (and mast) doesn't look the normal Proctor, Kemps, Seldon type fitting that I'd expect to see and I pose the question is the mizzen an added extra? The aft deck around the mizzen mast looks from the picture to be wood. If she was used in the higher latitudes, then this would give added insulation or some sort of sacraficial protection to the deck. Also on further inspection, the main mast looks smaller in diameter than what I'd expect to see. (By the way, I've never seen, or seen a picture of, a Corsair Ketch so I could be spouting total rubbish!)
My thoughts on you being the surveyor was meant to imply that you yourself should have the knowledge to be able to judge what the boat needs doing to her before you then go to the expense of a qualified surveyor. I'm still of the opinion for this boat, that what the surveyor tells you, you should have already discovered for yourself. (Apart from the really speciallised hidden bits).
If my guesses are correct, have a good look at her hull, especially at waterline level and the bow. Also have a good inspection of the leading edge of the cast iron keel. Dented bits on the keel means grounding, and gouges and chunks out of the hull means collisions with iceflows. In itself it's not catastrophic, but it does give you an idea of her life before you, and where to look for internal damage.
Intriguing! More photos please!
Mike
Added a few hours later,. Looking at the picture from near the bow, the coach roof looks far too angular to me. The edges of the coach roof are too sharp and should be more rounded. Has the coach roof been raised or a false roof added? Something has definately been messed about with!
Can you get a picture of a side view?
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by BarryandLinda » Sun Jun 05, 2016 4:37 pm

Good luck with it, whatever you decide, but I would probably double check that it is a Westerly Corsair. I have such a beast and your pictures do not look like a Westerly model to me at first sight...may be wrong, and 'should have gone to Specsavers'. I'm not sure if Westerly made a Corsair ketch...you may want to check with the font of all knowledge ( Caroline Hardy at Trafalgar Yachts).
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by TrafalgarYachts » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:32 am

I don't know about that, but I do know of 3 Corsair ketches, no 50 which we sold in 2012 and is still based locally, no 53 last heard of in the West Indies, and no 83 based in Florida. It would be interesting to know if there are others. Does this boat have the builders plate with the yard number beginning with P? The yard number could also be hand-written on the backs of cupboards etc.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by rogerball0 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:41 pm

Have i missed something?

The boat in those pictures looks nothing like a Westerly Corsair. :shock:

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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by Nigel Birch » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:44 am

Google search for image is brilliant! Here's the boat, now sold?

http://medway.boatshed.com/westerly_cor ... 42607.html
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by JayT » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:13 am

I too am suspicious. Looking at the photo's, it is not a Corsair, and the beam of 10ft is another giveaway.
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Re: '86 Corsair Ketch

Post by rogerball0 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:42 am

Plus i've never seen a Corsair with 6" high bulwarks. :(

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Post by JayT » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:09 am

Plus i've never seen a Corsair with 6" high bulwarks. :(
Yes, another good spot Roger. A 60hp Mercedes? Must be a marinised Car engine?
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