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Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:30 pm
by FulmarOnia
I suggest that you try and do one of the shorebased courses, Day Skipper. You will then meet lots of people in a similiar position to your selves, relatively new at sailing, or the partner of someone more experienced. You will also find that the teacher probably has his own boat and will be open to taking students out at week-ends.

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:59 pm
by salgarfi
That's an interesting observation about the landbased day skipper course. I like it! So saying that, I think our course of action will be:

1) Join the local club.
2) Get experience with club members (we'll then know if we want to go through with all of this after all!).
3) Meanwhile, hunt for boat while getting experience.
4) Get boat.
5) Take land based Day Skipper course.
6) At same time as 4 and 5 (and maybe via 5) find someone who can give us a few bespoke lessons.
7) Eventually take Day Skipper practical course (and a VHF course?).

I guess I should say that we have a little bit of boating experience, though it's with a narrow beam inland cruiser which I use as a partial live aboard when I'm at work in Nottingham, away from home. I'm also not wary of things 'navigational' since I've made maps and I have done land surveys (a traverse = dead reckoning, even with a Bowditch adjustment!), and that was back in the days when all calculations were done on paper and trigonometric tables were required. A pocket calculator was a luxury. Now I use geographic information systems and GPSs.

Well, I'd like to think that this is a viable way orward - I hope?

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:32 pm
by Hillary
Hi

One thing I would add is that the VHF course and a pass is a necessary requisite to obtaining a Ships VHF licence from Ofcom. Once you have passed your VHF course (only one of you has to do it) then you can go onto the Ofcom website and fill in an on-line form and get your licence for free. There is a commercial company that will do it for you but charges a fee so ignore that and register directly with Ofcom.

I love sailing my Centaur, built like a tank, and a very forgiving and seaworthy boat. I would be happy to take you out for an hour or two although its getting late in the year and I will probably Lay her up at the end of October for the winter. One thing I would recommend when you do find the Centaur you want - is to get a survey and a sea-trial.

Hillary

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:53 am
by salgarfi
Hello Hillary

Thanks for the offer of taking us out, are you based in Wales? If so, that would be great, but I'm off (tomorrow) to Nottingham for the middle of this month and as you say, your boat will be out of the water by the end of October? A late October sailing would be fine with us but we do appreciate that many boats are coming out of the water this time of the year.

Sal

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:14 pm
by FulmarOnia
I suggest that you push "buying the boat" somewhat down the list. My suggestion of doing land based courses was because a) that's what I did and b) my father taught some many years ago and said he was always surprised how many rushed out to buy a boat, only to find after a few months and a bad experience when the weather caught them out they gave up and hence lost a lot of money. Boats are easy to buy and difficult to sell ! or as some say "the two best days in boat ownership are the day you buy, closely followed by the day you finally sell"

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:13 pm
by salgarfi
"the two best days in boat ownership are the day you buy, closely followed by the day you finally sell."

Fair point!

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:20 pm
by Hillary
Hi sal,
I am based on the south coast between Portsmouth and Southampton. The boat is at the top of Portsmouth harbour. The weather is not looking good at the moment. Let's hope it improves

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:41 pm
by salgarfi
Oooh.., a bit of a hike for us here near Aberystwyth. But thanks very much, all the same! Anyway, I don't know what the weather's like down your way, but we've had ex-Ophelia and tomorrow is supposed to be another very windy and wet day!

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:32 pm
by Hillary
Hi Sal,

Yes thats a bit of a hike - sorry. Well Ophelia did not trouble us too much here in Portsmouth Harbour but Brian, who named it "Brian"? is really hammering the shore, especially where there is a stretch of open water. Fortunately we are on a finger pontoon at the top of Fareham creek and its fairly sheltered but the main pontoon walkway now has an interesting s shape curve in it and some of the pontoon floats show signs of becoming detached.

The boat id holding up but some rain has driven in but at the moment I can't see from where. I guess I will have to track it down tomorrow when it will only be force 7.

Hillary

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:24 am
by salgarfi
Ah.., leaks :!:

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:04 pm
by TyroSailor
You'd think these boats were Welsh, the number of leaks they have.

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:22 pm
by Jolly Roger
Boom, boom. Not very punny!

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 am
by Hardover
Our entry into sailing, in my late 50's, was initially with a dinghy - a yachting world dayboat. Chosen as it was, we thought, the least likely to capsize and dump us in the water. We joined the local dinghy club and off we went. A yachting world dayboat is quite capable of capsizing. A year later we bought our first yacht. A 64 year old wooden folkboat and with some trepidation and absolutely no practical experience we ventured out to sea. A folkboat is an ideal yacht to learn on. With very low freeboard you're very much in the water rather than on it. None of these furling headsails or lines led back to the cockpit nonsense. If you want to reef you make your way to the mast, cling on for dear life and start pulling bits of string. We used to regularly terrify ourselves and all to often made our way back to the mooring soaked through and ashen but we perservered and sailed daily. As our experience grew we came to appreciate just what a brilliant seaworthy design a folkboat is.
We made horrendous mistakes at first. Trying to pick up a mooring buoy, entering a harbour for the first time and attempting to moor up at a pontoon. You cant stand on your dignity when learning to sail or even when you are more experienced. All too often you're going to end up looking like a complete pratt - no matter how many courses you go on. We taught ourselves. There is enough freely available information out there to do that.
After 3 years we've moved up to a GK29 and I have enough confidence to contemplate a 200 mile single handed passage to bring her up north to her new home. Fools rush in........:)

Re: Struggling to Learn how to sail!

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:59 pm
by salgarfi
Eeehh.., this is the kind of thing one likes to hear. Even though the Spring(?) has now come (we've waited all Winter), our only problem will be getting out on the water enough, 'cause it'll be dependent on the tides and the Welsh weather (if good weather and the tides can correspond!).